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neuron

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Posted 02/28/2008 11:50 am

I find it funny that they present an image of a current dollar coin to implicate that the Liberty Dollar is creating a likeness of a USD, when the LD was around for many years before these coins.

I guess I thought we were living in a free market where competition is encouraged to regulate volatility, but I guess I was wrong. In practice our market is quasi-free at best.

As long as the LD medallions are presented as private voluntary barter currency they shouldn't be a problem. The two parties in the transaction can either accept the face value or barter upon an alternative value (e.g., $18 or $19 instead of $20). Although now that silver is over $19 per ounce ($19.68 according to Kitco as I write this), I doubt much bartering would happen.

Regards,
~neuron

Forum: US Modern Coins

neuron

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Posted 01/26/2008 11:51 am

quote:
Are you sure that's a good idea? At last the Fed tries to exert some control over the economy. You're talking about turning it over to a group that thinks "We've spent more than we have. Just take more money from the people. We'd like to spend an extra hundred billion here, just print it. We have a three hundred billion dollar budget deficit, that's OK we still have ink and paper." In short they think the same way Germany did in the early 20's. We have to pay all these reparations, so we'll just print the money we need. The result would be hyperinflation. The whole point behind the creation of the Fed was to take the creation of the money out of the hands of the special interest politicians who cared more about their own careers or maybe their local constituents that the country as a whole.

An excellent point, and I'll do my best to explain the answer. However, I won't be able to do justice to the thorough review of material presented in "Web of Debt", so consider picking that up or borrowing it from the library for a very detailed analysis.

The government handed the ability to create money to a private for-profit entity, who are largely unconcerned with the state of a nation so long as it is owed plenty of debt. I used to think that politicians were promising billions of dollars for projects and simply running the printing presses and raising taxes to pay for it, but that's not exactly what happens. What happens is the government asks the Federal Reserve for a loan for the billions, who then create it with a ledger entry. This money, created simply with a mouse click out of thin air, is then used to purchase US Government bonds, aka debts, and charges interest on repayment. Taxes are raised by the government to cover the new loan and its interest charges.

Since this is how our system works, there is literally no way that our debt can ever be repayed unless the system changes. The debt and interest charges will both simply continue to increase until the taxpayers can no longer cover the exorbitant fees and default on the loan.

So what is the difference if the US Government made the money out of thin air instead? We wouldn't owe the money to any private entity, and thus there would be no national debt. Without a debt, we wouldn't need taxes such as the income tax. The government could still cover costs of social programs and infrastructure by making loans to individuals and corporations but also charging interest... but they have to create the interest money at the same time so that it actually exists. The interest money is used to pay workers for infrastructure and social projects.

The concern about hyperinflation is legitimate, but this has happened several times in the past in various countries (including our own) and hyperinflation didn't occur. The reason for this is because as the amount of debt-free money increases, goods and services also increase... that is, more people work and produce when more money is available. So long as the money is issued for completed work, inflation won't result. The hyperinflation of Germany's currency was caused by foreign speculation on the privately-issued Reichsbank mark, and the problem was fixed by adopting a Greenback system in which Germany produced its own currency.

Look no further than China for an example of a modern-day economic success story. Although they still have some reliance on foreign countries, they issue their own money and are not in a state of inflation... they are in a state of a very strong and growing economy. Part of their success is not allowing their currency to float on currency exchange markets, so it is not available for speculation.

"Web of Debt" explains both the Germany and China situations in much more detail, if you are interested. Hope I at least gave you something of a coherent answer though.

Regards,
~neuron

neuron

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Posted 01/24/2008 8:54 pm

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Could you please give an example? I didn't know Rupert Murdoch was a banker.

Hey Stephen, I'm having difficulty locating a specific example from the book I'm reading ("Web of Debt" by Ellen Brown), but there are several times wherein the author discusses collusion between banks and the media (along with other large corporations). Perhaps "own" isn't the most appropriate term, although it wouldn't surprise me if investment banks own significant portions of stock in media conglomerates. But they are certainly bedfellows if nothing else. Apparently it is quite common for banks, media, and other large corporations to share directors on their boards:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2870

http://www.progressiveliving.org/ma...politics.htm

I don't think Rupert Murdoch is a banker per se, but someone worth billions of dollars is certainly keen on the banking industry. As of August he owns Dow Jones, which publishes the Wall Street Journal.

I'll keep looking for more specific information and post it here if I find some.

Oh, and I rarely use cash nowadays... that stuff burns a hole in my pocket for some reason. I find that I don't spend as much if I put it on my credit card. Doesn't make much sense, I know, but that's how I operate for some reason.

Regards,
~neuron

neuron

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Posted 01/24/2008 11:17 am

I don't think any laws would need to be broken to fix the system... simply repeal the Federal Reserve Act and start issuing Greenbacks.

Instead of borrowing money from private banks with interest (debt), the US could simply issue its own money. The answer is so simple, it is mind-boggling.

Getting politicians to change things is very difficult since most of them receive substantial kick-backs from banks and corporations. Banks have so much money and power that they can easily influence any election... for example, they were instrumental in getting Woodrow Wilson in office, who had promised to push and sign the Federal Reserve Act.

Most of the major media outlets are owned by the same banks that comprise the Federal Reserve, so criticism of the current system is largely repressed. Of course, this leads to lack of education on the part of the populace- probably less than 1% of US citizens know where our money comes from. Most believe the government makes it.

Ownership of the media also allows control of political commercials and campaigns... anyone remember how Ron Paul was not invited to the FOX presidential debate a few weeks ago, even though he was performing much better than Giuliani? No explanation was provided by FOX for this slight.

The internet is really the last bastion of free speech, and there are even calls to regulate that.

Would dismantling the Federal Reserve cause some economic chaos? Yes, certainly... mainly because most people wouldn't know what was going on. But with some education, things would be fine after a short time. Germany rebounded from WWI by issuing its own money and within 4 years was an extremely strong nation again, even after paying off its war debts.

Once people realize that we can survive much better without being under the heavy thumb of private debt, it will be nothing short of a revolution. Almost all of our taxes go to pay the interest on our debt, while the principle remains untouched and continues to grow yearly. Soon, we will be unable to pay the interest without even more tax hikes, and the US will essentially default on its loans. Maybe that is the stimulus we need for reform.

Regards,
~neuron

neuron

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Posted 01/23/2008 3:23 pm

I'm not sure that returning to a gold standard is actually the answer... although until recently I thought it might be.

It seems that the best answer would be for our government to actually make the money, as opposed to the Federal Reserve (a private international consortium of banks including JPMorgan Chase, Citibank, Bank of America, and many more). THAT's the main problem- the US isn't in charge of its own money! We need to return to the Greenback system.

The exception is coins... the US mints those. The other 99+% of US Dollars in existence (composed of Federal Reserve Notes and computer/ledger entries) are essentially created out of thin air by private banks.

If you are interested in learning more, I *HIGHLY* recommend Ellen Brown's "Web of Debt" (ISBN: 0979560802). I bought it on Amazon, but I'm sure it is widely available. The book explains in detail the past and present of the Federal Reserve and its widespread role in shaping not only America, but indeed the entire world.

You'll never look at the world the same way again, and "The Wizard of Oz" will take on a whole new meaning for you (it was written as an allegory of the monetary system!).

If anyone here does read the book, I'd love to hear what you think. It has played a big role in my newfound interest in politics.

Regards,
~neuron

Website To Compete With Littleton

neuron

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Posted 01/22/2008 10:01 am

That sounds like a very ambitious project, philney. I'd love to see what you are capable of, but I'd hate to see you suffer financially if it doesn't pan out well enough.

Is there any way you could make the website but still keep a different job, or perhaps do something additional on the side (e.g., build websites for companies or other people for a fee)? I imagine when you first start, after the website is built and you're essentially waiting for a customer base to build, you'll have some extra time to spend on other projects.

BTW, are you coding everything yourself or using a CMS? If you're using a CMS, take a look at Drupal and see what you think.

As far as the site is concerned, here's what I really like to see:
1) professional presentation
2) loads quickly (limit your images)
3) uncluttered design (very important!! check out https://www.davidjbauer.com and https://www.sweetlous.net for my examples of relatively uncluttered design... although I haven't finished sweetlous yet)
4) few page loads (use javascript tabs, ajax, modal windows, etc. instead)
5) for anything for sale, top-notch pictures are a must along with an accurate and detailed description, liberal return policy, and reasonable shipping/handling

Good luck and keep us posted!!

Regards,
~neuron

neuron

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Posted 01/16/2008 6:06 pm

If you are interested in the Liberty Dollar issues, please consider signing up to receive e-mails from the main page at http://libertydollar.org/ I don't think I'll keep updating this thread unless something particularly important regarding the legal issues comes out, as the reports I am receiving are largely requests to buy stuff, and my intention is to inform and not advertise.

Regards,
~neuron

Forum: US Modern Coins

neuron

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Posted 01/16/2008 5:52 pm

Here is the latest update, from today:
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

FLASH: I just receive the first 2008 Liberty Dollars! And they are terrific! Check out the images and order HERE! With silver over $16 per ounce, please read this whole Alert and then place your order to support the Liberty Dollar and protect your purchasing power with the new hallmarked, "inflation proof" 2008 Liberty Dollar.

PAYPAL: If you ordered via PayPal, please be sure to read the update below.

TAKING THE HEAT: We have received a few calls asking if we can make new Dollars, why can't we fill the old orders. The simple reason is because we don't have the product and to make matters worse, the bank account is frozen so we can't return the money. New orders are financed by donations or from new orders. I would like nothing better than fill or at least return all your money. We are seeking to retain an attorney to do just that ASAP! But even that has proven problematic as all the funds are frozen.

BIG NEWS: Silver is UP! Liberty Dollar is set to Move Up to the $50 Silver Base!
Get ready to double your money. again!

Please read this important statement: Doesn't it just make sense that when the underlying commodity that backs the currency increases in value, shouldn't the purchasing power of that currency also increase in value? Of course! And isn't that the essence of an inflation proof currency? Absolutely! In fact, when you think about it, the only way the Liberty Dollar can accommodate higher commodity prices is to increase its Face Value. And that is why the ALD Moved Up to the $20 Silver Base, on Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 24, 2005.

We are preparing now to Move Up from the $20 to the $50! WOW! Whereas the first Move Up was only a ten dollar difference (20-10=10), this second Move Up will provide a thirty dollar difference (50-20=30). This will give the currency a much wider window of operation and much larger margin of profit for you. And while early Liberty Dollar supporters doubled their money on the first Move Up, this time your purchasing power will increase two and half times! Or 500% if you started with the $10 Base. Is there anybody who does not want to double his or her money? If so, please continue to use the depreciating US dollar.

With such a dynamic currency model, there is usually a bit of confusion as newbies retrofit their economic heads around the free market Liberty Dollar. Of so, please re-read the "important statement' above. Usually, it's the "educated" economists that have the most difficulty and especially anybody with a PhD. But I am happy to report that most Americans, like myself, simply understand that the price of gasoline is not going up, it is the value of the US dollar that is going down, and want to protect their purchasing power. Please don't over intellectualize the money problem. You are being ripped off, clear and simple. Either you want to take action or don't.

As stated when the Liberty Dollar econometric model was first introduced on October 1, 1998, the Liberty Dollar would Move Up to the $50 Silver Base when the 30 day moving average for silver stayed over $16 for 45 consecutive calendar days. Now with the spot price of silver over $16, this is the currency's first test to Move Up to the $50 Base.

Will it happen? That's anybody's guess. When the Liberty Dollar Moved Up to the $20 Base it happened the third try. But as government spends money like a drunken sailor, and more of your purchasing power is stolen (deceptively labeled "inflation" by the government). prices will "rise" and you will be poorer. unless you take action. Trust me, sooner or later, the Liberty Dollar will Move Up to the $50 Silver Base.

But the currency will not Move Up until the 30 day moving average for silver has stayed over $16 for 45 consecutive calendar days. With silver over $16 and the 30 day moving average already at $14.71 last Friday, January 11, the Liberty Dollar could conceivably Move Up within 75 days or about April 1, no joke!

As the Move Up Point is very important, the Liberty Dollar uses an independent, third party source for its 30 DMA so there is a definitive point that is readily available and easily verifiable by everyone. The Liberty Dollar provides total transparency for this econometric stability-inducing feature that protects it from the erratic actions of a free silver market. The 30 DMA is available from ScotiaMocotta, a division of the Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada, at: http://www.scotiamocatta.com/prec/p...m_daily.pdf. The 30 DMA is listed at the bottom of page 3.

For more info and history on the Liberty Dollar Move Up and its disciplined econometric features, please visit: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/abo...-doubles.htm
And http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/faq...-twenty.htm.

The Move Up to a new base could be painful as we enter "No Man's Land". Why is it called "No Man's Land"? Because nobody wants to be there! As the Liberty Dollar is a "free market currency" it's pricing is market driven. So while the spot silver price is over $16 per ounce, the MSRP for the $20 Silver Liberty will be spot plus $5. Discount and commissions for Liberty Associates will return after we pass through "No Man's Land" and Moved Up to the $50 Silver Base.

Now, as we experienced during the first Move Up, some people thought that the time just prior to the Move Up was the worst time to get a Liberty Dollar. Exactly the opposite! NOW is the best time to get the Liberty Dollar. Do you want 2.5 times your money? If you were going to buy a stock, would you want to buy it before or after it split? Before, of course. Ditto with the Liberty Dollar! Now is the best time to get the Liberty Dollar.

Want to get the best deal? Open a Regional Currency Office and get the $20 Liberty Dollar at only $3 over spot. Plus you can regionalize your Libertys with a custom Hallmark with the name of your town, business, family, organization, almost anything! Hey, are you serious about returning the country to the original founding principles. or not?! Liberty Dollar provides you that vehicle with a profit!

Do you think we will have inflationary times in the future? Were you aware the United States had 5,000% inflation over two hundred years ago?

It's true - when the Continental Congress declared war on England, it had no means to pay for the American Revolution because it had neither money nor the power to tax. America began with little more than the hope and a prayer by a few strong willed people who wanted to be free at any cost. The American war effort was largely financed by inflation and meager contributions from the States. In 1775, when the Revolutionary War began, the total money supply in the United States stood at only $12 million. In June of the same year, the Continental Congress started printing "paper" and said it was "money". By the end of that first year, Congress had printed $6 million in "paper money" called "Continentals". In total, $425 million was issued in just five years that expanded the money supply more than 3,500%. Plus the States printed their own currency, bringing inflation in America to over 5,000%!

To America's credit, it was the only country to recover from such an inflationary hardship without bloodshed. Will our current country "fathers" measure up to the original Founding Fathers? Will YOU hold them to the same standard? Will the United States come back from this precipice? We so pray!

As Ron Paul stated on December 13th when he introduced the, Free Competition in Currency Act, H.R. 4683, that would protect the Liberty Dollar and competing currencies, Paul said, "Investors around the world are shunning the dollar, and millions of Americans see their salaries, saving accounts, and pensions eroded away by rising inflation. We stand at the precipice of an unprecedented monetary collapse, and as a result many people have begun to look for alternates to the [US] dollar."

A precipice indeed. I have mentioned this "precipice" many times in my presentations. It would appear that those darn "bellybuttons" at the Federal Reserve have no idea what they are flirting with. Of course, they need only read "Fiat Inflation in France" by Andrew Dickson White to learn what heck their money can create.

For more info on "Inflation through History" please click HERE.

NEW exciting way to support Ron Paul and save money too. with your own Ron Paul Card! Joby Weeks, RCO for Denver, has created the RON PAUL REWARD CARD.
Joby asks, "If you could save between $80-$150 a month at places you are already shopping, would you pay $20 a month, knowing that a portion of that money goes to finance Ron Paul Revolution campaign efforts?" Joby says that when you become a Ron Paul Rewards card member you can save up to 50% off at over 175,000 stores around the country plus you can earn money as a single tier affiliate program.

Please check it out at HERE and see if it is right for you. Initial cost is $49.00 for the card and the first month, then $19.95 per month, so you would want to use this card enough to cover your monthly service fee.

How to order the 2008 Liberty Dollar? Since the FBI Raid on November 14, it would seem everything is conspiring to make it as difficult as possible for the Liberty Dollar. Certainly the government, their handmaiden banking institutions, and now PayPal are making orders more difficult. So I am happy the resolve of Liberty Dollar supporters and the staunch RCOs have refused to let the Liberty Dollar die. Remember the harder it is to protect your money, the more you need real money like the Liberty Dollar! THANK YOU for your support and your orders!

As mentioned, the new one ounce $20 Silver Liberty with MSRP and PVBC is available at silver spot plus $5. But with prices changing daily, if not hourly, we simply ask you to send in your order based on the spot price on our web site: https://www.LibertyDollar.org plus shipping of $6 Up to 12 items, $1 each additional item. If the silver price has moved outside of range by the time we receive your order and we cannot fill your order, we will return your money. If the silver price is a bit less, we will keep the difference as a donation.

Orders for the 2008 Liberty Dollar, with the custom Tenth Anniversary hallmark, are available by check or money order made out to BERNARD. We have the new $20 Liberty in stock and orders are usually filled within three weeks AFTER we receive your order. Please send all orders to: Liberty Dollar. 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. IN. 47715. Please note the office is understaffed, and your call may not be returned. If you have a question, an email would be best, please. For more information on ordering the 2008 Liberty Dollars Click HERE!

During these difficult times, you may get better/faster service from a RCO. Please contact any RCO regardless of where you live. Now, RCOs are not regionally bound. If you wish to open your own RCO, please email me with RCO in the subject field.

PayPal freezes Liberty Dollar account
Unbeknown to us, PayPal does not allow its system to be used for currency exchanges. So when we attached PayPal to our shopping cart, they froze our account and informed us that they would not refund the money for 180 days! After careful negotiations PayPal was willing to refund all your money on unfilled orders. I just spoke with PayPal again and it now seems that all the problems have been resolved and you should have your money in the next couple of days. Actual time of funds transfer vary as ACH transfers vary from bank to bank. So if you placed an order on our shopping cart using PayPal, please check your account, as you should receive your money by Friday. If not, please send an email to: Order@LibertyDollar.org. Then we would hope you would order directly with the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville via check or money order.

WOW!! You should have been at the Liberty Forum! Of course Ron Paul was there for a Keynote address on Sunday and it was a rousing time. I was supposed to give the Keynote address on Friday but at the last minute was replaced by Cap't Roughseas, a Revolutionary War officer who appeared at the request of the Founding Fathers. It was a HOOT! Just watch one of these videos. Get involved. Plan to come next year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKIrm8Whmak
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...301237747138
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...72&hl=en
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/200...-fiat-money/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WB3ey2RUco

PLEASE NOTE: We are just too busying dealing with all the legal issues and added demands, so no more Liberty Dollars will be accepted for hallmarking. Many thanks to all the associates and RCOs who took advantage of the unique offer and got their Libertys hallmarked. This offer is now discontinued.

NEW COLLECTOR SPECIAL: As you may recall, we issued a two ounce $20 Silver Liberty Piedfort as a numismatic item shortly before the Liberty Dollar Moved Up to the $20 Base. I am pleased to announce that a special two ounce $50 Piedfort will be issued shortly. This special Limited Numbered Edition will feature the $50 design in Proof condition with a serial number. This LNE is limited to only 1000 Piedforts and only before the Liberty Dollar Moves Up to the $50 base. Initial price is only $50 but that is sure to change as the market advances. Limit five per order, please.

The $20 Arrest Dollar for $30 is SOLD OUT. We have a few left for $40 each. After they are gone it will be much more. The $10 Arrest Dollar is still $20 and the $5 Arrest Dollar is still only $15. But not for long.

My Lawsuit against the US Mint and DOJ was dismissed without prejudice and can be re-filed at any time. This was the best course of action given the criminal investigation.

Remember you can become a Liberty Associate for FREE by signing up for the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit. Just click HERE to sign up.

To say that 2007 was a heck of a year is an understatement! Record sales, lawsuit against the US Mint, the FBI Raid and all the banking problems made Liberty Dollar a hot news item with many many articles and thousands of Americans discovering the truth about money and how to protect their purchasing power while returning America to its original founding ideals. Liberty Dollar was also voted one of the Top Ten Stories in 2007 by Coin World.

2008 promises to be another "great" year. Will I be arrested? Most likely. But as federal grand juries often take a year or more, we certainly have time and intent to provide as many Liberty Dollars as possible. We have a country to save and greatly appreciate your support, orders and donations. we can't do it without you!

As Cap't Roughseas mentioned in his presentation at the Liberty Forum, while money is the common denominator to restrain the government within the US Constitution. it is not the key. YOUR action is the key. Desire without action is folly.

That's all the news. Thanks again for your orders, donations and support!

For more information on ordering the 2008 Liberty Dollars Click HERE!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor

FYI: The Treasure Hunter's Take:
Last night at 11:15, my wife and I were walking the dog through a park about two miles from home and I spotted a late-night treasure seeker sweeping his metal detector in one of the playgrounds.

I veered towards him and engaged him in conversation regarding his midnight craft. I inquired as to whether he had found anything special? To which he enthusiastically replied, "Yes!"

He emptied his pocket, and amongst a pile of quarters, dimes and nickels was a large metal object with the unmistakable obverse image of our own Liberty Lady. With that one glance, I told him that it was a 2007 Copper Liberty, and one I was sure I had handed out as change at my shop.

Somewhere out there is a little kid who lost a Copper Liberty, and a grown man who is very pleased with his newfound treasure.

The Liberty Dollar is my treasure, and that is a true story.

Matthew Pitagora RCO
www.libertydollarofsanjose.org
408.223.6688

Forum: US Modern Coins

1803 Large Cent

neuron

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254 Posts

Posted 01/15/2008 12:51 pm

Although I'm in the office and don't have reference books handy, I think it looks VG to me. Nice hair details, bold date, and good reverse details too. The corrosion looks pretty light and doesn't detract much. All in all a very nice early large cent! I bet with good pictures and an ending time on a Sunday evening, it would sell on eBay for $60-$80. Just my opinion, of course. A dealer would not pay anywhere close to that though... you'd probably get offered $20-$30 I bet.

Before you sell it though, check out Sheldon's "Penny Whimsy" to identify the die variety- if it is a rare one, it could be worth many hundreds to a large cent collector. There should be plenty of detail remaining to accurately identify the variety.

BTW, welcome to CC monkeyman!

Regards,
~neuron

How Do Yo Pronounce ANACS?

neuron

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Posted 01/04/2008 8:31 pm

Good point, Reti.

I always say "anneknacks".

Regards,
~neuron

Forum: Third Party Coin Grading (TPG): PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG, ETC.

ANACS Holder Possibly Tampered?

neuron

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Posted 01/04/2008 8:23 pm

I agree- definitely suspect.

Forum: Third Party Coin Grading (TPG): PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG, ETC.

New Discovery.....

neuron

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United States

254 Posts

Posted 01/02/2008 5:10 pm

lol... good one!

neuron

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254 Posts

Posted 01/02/2008 5:02 pm

Here is the update I received on 1/2/2008 (long!):
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January 2. 2008

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters,

Happy New Year! New 2008 Liberty Dollar for 10th Anniversary!

HOT ITEM: If you have not read <edited by tights24 to keep family friendly> "The New Republic" dated Friday, December 21, 2007 please click HERE for article.

Now let me be perfectly clear. We have never presented the Liberty Dollar as "coin", "legal tender" or "current money". In fact, our whole marketing plan is based on the fact that it is NOT government money. We have never advocated violence, racism, revolution or even the collapse of the US dollar. We have no ill will for the US government or its dreadful money. And as we have not received a cease and desist order, why shouldn't we continue to advocate the type of currency mandated by the US Constitution?

From day one in 1998 our goal has been to simply offer a "private voluntary barter currency" that was "inflation proof" and put a powerful tool in the people's hands. As stated on 500,000+ gold and silver Certificates still in circulation, the Liberty Dollar is "an exercise of the bearer's First Amendment right to petition the government for a silver based currency as mandated by the US Constitution."

Click HERE for the new 2008 $20 Liberty Dollar that contains one ounce of .999 fine silver. Two innovations have been incorporated into its design to eliminate any possible confusion:

First, the 2008 Liberty Dollar is a "private voluntary barter currency" (PVBC) and that acronym has been added to the currency so there is no confusion about the Liberty Dollar. It is NOT government money! Who would want that kiss of death?!

Second, in keeping with other "brand name" practices, the acronym MSRP (Manufacturers Suggest Retail Price) has been added to fully disclose that the face value of $20 is the MSRP. Please note, the $20 Liberty Dollar is NOT denominated in US dollars! It can't be because the US dollar is not backed by anything except the foul hot air from politicians. The Liberty Dollar is a NEW currency. It is denominated in "Liberty Dollars" because it is .999 fine silver.

In celebration of the Tenth Anniversary of the Liberty Dollar, I am very pleased to announce the new 2008 one ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollar will feature a special 10th Anniversary Hallmark!* In fact, all the 2008 Silver Liberty Dollars will be "localized" with a custom Hallmark*. That's right, the reverse of the 2008 Silver Liberty Dollar will be hand stamped with a punch and sledgehammer by the Regional Currency Officer. Each Liberty Dollar will carry the name of the city, business, region, church or group to maximize local acceptance and defy the US Mint warning that "use" of the Liberty Dollar is illegal. The Liberty Dollar does not violate Title 18, Section 486.

The new 2008 Liberty Dollar is in production and we are open for business. Please visit us online HERE or the Shopping Cart and order now with PayPal! Fulfillment is anticipated before the end of the January. Please order now.

This unique "local hallmark" concept is a direct result of the conference calls I had with the Regional Currency Officers (RCOs), who told me to either mint more Liberty Dollars to meet their merchants' and clients' demands or they would make their own.

Well, faced with more walk-in customers at the Evansville office, mounting demand from the public at large, raging eBay prices and a RCO rebellion, I quickly designed a new "generic" Liberty Dollar that allows the Regional Currency Officers to actually "coin", i.e. to "stamp", their own local custom Hallmark on the reverse of the new $20 Silver Liberty Dollar. This new gorilla tactic explodes the Liberty Dollar model while decentralizing it for more grassroots activism.

Now, anybody can issue a Liberty Dollar with his or her own custom Hallmark and capitalize on the silver market that is blasting off. Now, as inflation explodes, is the time to get on board with the new currency. Hey, you must be crazy not to protect your money and make more money. with the Liberty Dollar!

It only costs $1000, renewable annually, to become a RCO and another $200 for your own custom Hallmark. Now you can hallmark your name, company, family, church, organization, region, city, state or almost anything, on the new $20 one-ounce 2008 Liberty Dollar. A special Numbered Edition of all the Hallmarked Libertys is planned so every RCO can offer these numbered Libertys at a higher collector price and recover the costs of their Hallmark stamp.

The new "Dealer Network" of RCOs enjoys the same wholesale rate of Spot plus $3 and can order as few as 20 Silver Libertys at a time! Certified Businesses and Liberty Associates still earn a commission and profit on all exchanges from USD to ALD with their RCO. Plus everybody who has joined the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit (formally known as Class Action Lawsuit) is now a Liberty Associate for FREE. Please note: the cost to become a Liberty Associate will change dynamically to $500 when the Liberty Dollar "Moves Up" to the $50 Silver base. Best to get on board now!

Announcing the first "Public Hallmarking" of the 2008 Liberty Dollar will be held in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania on Saturday, March 1, 2008 at Jim's Farmers Market. If you are interested in the Liberty Dollar and want to experience it in action, come to Chambersburg on Saturday, March 1! Plus a special screening of "Fiat Empire" will be presented on Thursday evening, February 28 and a special Town Meeting is planned for Friday. I plan to attend all the events and hope you will come too. For more info, please contact Pete Hallock at pete@chambersburglibertydollar.com, or visit him on line at http://www.chambersburglibertydollar.com.

On the economic front, November gasoline surged a shocking, record-shattering, 34.8%! That is an annualized rate of over 417%!

We the people. need to take control of our country's monetary system... before it is too late. That starts with you taking control of your money and deciding what money you want to use. Do you want money that appreciates or one that depreciates?! How simple can it be?!

This is not the time to be faint-of-heart. Now is the time to get the Liberty Dollar in as many hands as possible. PLEASE take action pronto!

The last thing we want is the US dollar to collapse. This would be terrible, beyond words. That is the main reason the Liberty Dollar is designed to be a "private voluntary barter currency" and functions on a dollar-to-dollar exchange basis with the US dollar. The Liberty Dollar provides a gradual, evolutionary monetary model to return our country to a value based currency. Even if it was featured on CNN, CNBC or on the front pages of the Washington Post and the USA Today as it was, not everybody gets "on board" at once.

How long did it take you to get "on board" with the Liberty Dollar after you heard about it? A week? A month? It usually takes people up to a year! Just like yourself, everybody has to do their "due diligence", get their head around "real money" and that simply takes time.

Recently, my friend and fellow Federal Reserve buster, Martin Weiss, listed the three mega forces that are shaping the global market that will drive gold and silver to unbelievable heights:

Megaforce #1: Massive, Rapid Growth of the World's Largest and Most Populous Continent: Imagine a continent five times larger than the lower 48 states with thirteen times the population. Then imagine a socio-economic transformation that combines the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, and the rapid birth of fervent entrepreneurial spirit, all concentrated into one short generation. That's the phenomenon in Asia today.

Megaforce #2: The Plunging U.S. Dollar: The U.S. dollar has now crossed a landmark that will go down in history as the turning point of our era: The greenback has plunged below its all-time low in 1992 to its lowest level of all time.

With this single, landmark event, the dollar has crossed from a period of slow, orderly declines ... to a new era of rapid, chaotic declines; from a time when its impact could be ignored ... to a time when its impact will be felt everywhere, especially on those assets that rise the most when the dollar falls - natural resources like gold and silver!

Megaforce #3: Central Banks Flooding The World With Paper Money And With Wild Abandon! The world's monetary authorities see the U.S. housing market in its worst downturn of modern times. They see hundreds of mortgage lenders going broke or on the brink. And they see financial firms reeling from tens of billions of dollars in losses. So they're panicking! Running the printing presses overtime! Danger Ahead!
Please visit Martin at http://www.moneyandmarkets.com for more info:

As the greenback sinks, so does your purchasing power. and so does your ability to provide simple things like food and housing for yourself and your family. Times are not dire. yet. but we are closer every day. to a global hyperinflationary depression.

As the greenback sinks, metals will appreciate and give rise to a new value based currency. this will not happen by design but by simple need. Why did the US government become FedEx's largest customer after it did everything to kill it in the early 1970's? Because of need. Ditto with the Liberty Dollar - the "FedEx of Money".

ATTENTION: Again this is not the time to be faint-of-heart. We need to get the Liberty Dollar in as many hands as possible ASAP! This is the time to protect your money and help return our country to a valued based monetary system with the Liberty Dollar. before it is too late. Please click HERE to order your 2008 Liberty Dollar online today!

LIBERTY ASSOCIATES AND CERTIFIED BUSINESSES are urged to contact a RCO for the new 2008 Liberty Dollar, even if you are not in their "region". The Fulfillment office in Evansville is "surviving" on one person and donations. All orders for less than twenty, one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars, are at Face Value. Associate Orders for twenty one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars will receive one free $20 Silver Liberty for every 20 ordered. Shipping for twenty one-ounce $20 Silver Liberty Dollars is $8.95. Please click HERE for a current list of RCOs.

Liberty Dollar has launched its own eBay auction to liquidate the Liberty Dollars that have been donated. Please visit us on eBay at: http://stores.ebay.com/Official-LIb...Dollar-Store

Wait! There is more news. Thanks to Amir Hirsch, a MIT student, now there is the chocolate standard! Chocolate Ron Paul "Coins" that commemorates the absurdity of the FBI raid in an edible way with chocolate money that is sound money and sweet liberty! Only time will tell if the FBI will have the audacity to raid a chocolate factory that manufacturers Chocolate Ron Paul "Coins"! Please visit http://www.ronpaulchocolate.com to order.

If you missed the earlier announcement, please check out Ron Paul's new legislation "Free Competition in Currency Act" that was introduced on December 13, 2007 and mentions the "Liberty Dollar" and "asset forfeiture". WOW. Click HERE for Congressman Paul's introductory statement.

Please don't let the government steal your money! The FBI is moving aggressively to forfeit "their" seizures for auction. Please make a donation to "Bernard" as we still have not opened a bank account and mail it to: BERNARD, 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. IN. 47715. Phone: 812.473.5250.

ATTENTION: Our country's currency is at risk. Just look at what's happening. Some people imagine that they can convert their US dollars into another fiat currency such as Euros to protect their purchasing power. But that is a false hope. The European Central Bank just pumped HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS (E349 billion) into the global monetary system. Where did they get such a staggering amount of money overnight?! Out of thin air! I am seriously concerned about the value of the US dollar and my own purchasing power. Lets head off this train wreck by providing a choice of money in the marketplace. Currently eGold, GoldMoney and the Liberty Dollar is available. Of course, I prefer the Liberty Dollar because of its ease of use, physical attraction, and profitability for users and political message for a sound monetary system.

It is time to take a stand. Do we the people have the right to choose our money, or not? Do we live in a free market economy or not? Are we free, or are we not?

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your support and donations. I just wish I had time to contact every one of you. You are the reason why the Liberty Dollar is here!

Again thank you for your support!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor

*A hallmark, is a mark struck on precious metal items to identify its distinguishing characteristic. Historically, hallmarks were applied by a trusted party such as the assay office to guarantee a certain weight or fineness of the metal. From ancient Byzantine hallmarks to the Vienna Hallmark Convention in 1973, hallmarks have been used to mark the fineness and unique characteristics on precious metal items. Such is the case with the hallmarked 2008 Liberty Dollar and the "Arrest Dollar" with the "Handcuffs" hallmark.

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