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My Most Sought-After Ruler: King Odoacer
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Old Post Posted 07/01/2019  10:58 pm
I honesty thought it was going to take several more years at the earliest to find a monogram coin of Odoacer, and that it was going to be in much worst shape, but I feel very fortunate to have come across this one. As soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it. He is the ruler that dealt the death blow to the Roman Empire in the west, resulting in the official start of the European Middle Ages, so he was at the top of my want list for nearly my whole ancients collecting career. It is easily my favorite coin in my whole collection.

Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
AE nummus
Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped, cuirassed bust right
Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA) within wreath
Mint: Ravenna
Date: 476-493 AD
Ref: RIC X 3502
Provenance: Ex Classical Numismatics Group (CNG) 81, 20 May 2009, lot 1157; Ex Gemini, XIII, 6 April 2017, lot 265; Ex Harlan J. Berk (HJB), 2018 September



History:

Odoacer (also known as Odovacar) was born around the year 433 AD in Pannonia, the son of Edeko, who possibly was an ambassador of Attila to the Eastern Roman court. Very little is known of Odoacer's background and early history; his tribal affiliation is not known for certain, although the common conjectures are that he is either from the Heruli tribe, or a member of the Scirii. Other guesses include the Goths, the Huns, the Thuringii, and the Rugii. Also, a reference in the Decem Libri Historiarum (by Gregory of Tours) to an "Adovacrius" or "Odovacrius" could possibly have Odoacer as having been fighting in the early 460s.

Attributed to him is an event that occurred just before he entered Italy as part of a contingent of barbarians. According to Eugippius, Odoacer and the other barbarians paid their respects to Saint Severinus of Noricum. Severinus then told Odoacer that he was going to become famous, and that he would "soon... make rich gifts to many."

By the time of Odoacer's appointment as leader of the foederati (barbarian mercenaries) within the Western Roman Army in 475, the Western Empire was greatly diminished, merely one state co-existing with the new barbarian kingdoms that had sprung up in former Roman territories such as Hispania, North Africa, and most of Gaul. The western throne had been populated for the most part in the previous two decades by ineffective puppet emperors who were chosen (and sometimes killed by) their magisters militum, the military strongmen who were the real power behind the throne.

Western Roman Empire, 475 AD

(from worldhistorymaps.com)

In 475, the Western emperor Julius Nepos appointed the Roman general Orestes as his magister militum. But ambition for the throne drove Orestes to rise up and depose Nepos, who subsequently fled Italy and re-established his government in Dalmatia. Orestes then proclaimed his 15-year old son Romulus Augustus (he was also referred to as Augustulus, "little Augustus"). Nepos had the recognition and backing of the few remaining Western Roman territories outside of Italy, and of the Eastern Empire itself, while Orestes was widely viewed as a usurper.

Odoacer and his foederati, who had assisted Orestes with his usurpation, desired to improve their living conditions in Italy. They asked Orestes for land of their own, by fulfilling the promise he had made that he would grant them a third of the lands in Italy. Orestes denied them this, and Odoacer and the rest of the mercenaries revolted in 476. During this time, the barbarians proclaimed Odoacer as rex Italiae. The mostly-barbarian Roman army managed to kill Orestes at Placentia, and then laid siege to the Western capital Ravenna, where the young Romulus Augustus was holed up. They managed to capture the city, and on September 4, 476, forced Romulus to abdicate the imperial throne. As an gesture of kindness, Odoacer exiled the former emperor to live with relatives in Campania, along with granting him a yearly pension of 6,000 solidii.

Odoacer's Kingdom of Italy, 480 AD

(from worldhistorymaps.com)

Odoacer then had the Senate of Rome send the Western imperial regalia to Emperor Zeno, to communicate that the West did not require an emperor of its own; that "one monarch sufficed [to rule] the world". This meant that the two halves of the Roman Empire were to be reunited under Zeno, but Zeno was hesitant to accept this while the legitimate Western emperor Nepos was still in Dalmatia, and informed the Senate that they should accept Nepos back instead. Nonetheless, Zeno made Odoacer patrician, and granted him the authority to rule Italy in his name. Odoacer paid respect and homage to the Eastern emperor, including through the minting of coins in Zeno's name, but ruled autonomously, and did not hesitate in referring to himself as king.

The new king of Italy wasted no time in expanding and consolidating his rule. He persuaded King Gaiseric of the Vandals in late 476 or 477 to cede to him most of Sicily, and when Nepos was assassinated in 480, Odoacer had his army invade Dalmatia supposedly to avenge the deposed emperor; in actuality conquering the region for his kingdom. And in 487, Odoacer and his army fought and won against the Rugians in Noricum, capturing their king in the process, but afterwards decided to move the Roman inhabitants of the region to Italy. He established and maintained good relations with the Roman Senate, and kept the Roman administration of Italy intact and run by Roman officials. After a hiatus of two centuries, large bronze coins featuring the initials SC (senatus consultum) were struck again, demonstrating the increase of power the Senate had under Odoacer.

With Odoacer's rise, Zeno came to view him as a threat. After making peace with his rebellious magister militum praesentalis King Theodoric of the Ostrogoths, Zeno instructed him to invade Italy, promising him the authority to rule there. Theodoric's invasion began in 489, and in August of that year, Odoacer and Theodoric engaged in battle by the Isontius River, near Aquileia. Odoacer and his forces suffered defeat there. Afterwards, he would again meet defeat at Verona, and subsequently retreated to Ravenna. Most of his army was, however, stationed at Mediolanum, and when the Ostrogoths captured the city, they surrendered and a number of them switched over, including Odoacer's general Tufa. Tufa later betrayed Theodoric, and inflicted a defeat on Theodoric that compelled him to fortify himself at Ticinum. Odoacer then advanced and besieged Theodoric, in 490.

The Ostrogothic invasion of Italy seemed stopped in its tracks, but King Alaric II of the Visigoths then decided to come to the assistance of the Ostrogothic king by sending his army to break the siege. Odoacer was again forced to retreat back to Ravenna, where Theodoric laid siege to the city for three years. Through mediation by Bishop John of Ravenna, Theodoric and Odoacer agreed to end the war and to jointly rule Italy. But Theodoric had other plans. In 493, while they and their warriors dined together in the former imperial palace, Theodoric killed Odoacer, striking him on the collarbone with his sword after some of his warriors failed to assassinate him themselves. Later, Odoacer's wife and brother were put to death, and his son exiled (but who would also later be killed for attempting to return to Italy).


(from pinterest; I'm not sure if this image is supposed to be an artist's depiction of Odoacer, but this showed up when I Google Image searched his name, so for the purpose of this thread, lets assume its him )

Please post anything relevant, and thanks for reading!

(Got the coin last September but realized I forgot to share it here, sorry!)
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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s
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Old Post Posted 07/01/2019  9:15 pm
Whoops, sorry! Didn't notice that part of the rules. Then I don't have anything that would work.
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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s
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Old Post Posted 06/30/2019  10:47 pm
470s

Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
AE nummus
Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped, cuirassed bust right
Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA) within wreath
Mint: Ravenna
Date: 476-493 AD
Ref: RIC X 3502

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Johannes, Ae4, Rome. Ad 423-425.
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Old Post Posted 01/25/2018  03:37 am
Johannes also was bearded but I don't see it on this one. No remaining legend to tell either. Most of these tiny, crude, and thick AE4 Victoria Avgg types were struck by Honorius so its a safe bet this one and the other coin are him.
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Ae4 Eugenius (Usuper, 392-394)
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Old Post Posted 01/25/2018  03:31 am
I don't see a beard. Looks like your typical Honorius AE4 Victoria Avggg type.
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2017 Holiday Exchange - Secret Santa
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Old Post Posted 12/16/2017  12:23 am
I received mine on Mon or Tues (thanks Secret Santa!) and I sent my gift on Tues or Wed.
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2017 Holiday Exchange - Secret Santa
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Old Post Posted 11/02/2017  11:36 pm
Thanks for hosting this again! Count me in!

Since it can take some time for the "What we Collect" to be updated I just want to add that I've expanded my interests to also include ancient Greek and medieval Islamic coinages.
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Eye Candy Corner: Post Your Toned Coins!
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Old Post Posted 11/02/2017  02:43 am
Jovinus, Western Roman Empire
AR siliqua
Obv: D N IOVIN-VS P F AVG, Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
Rev: VICTOR-IA AVGG, Roma seated left on stylized cuirass, holding Victory on globe and reversed spear
Mint: Lugdunum
Mintmark: SMLDV
Date: 411-413 AD
Ref: RIC X 1717



You can read my thread about Jovinus here:

http://goccf.com/t/258779
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Post Myths About Ancient Coin Collecting
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Old Post Posted 10/31/2017  8:01 pm
I feel like this should also be posted in the main forum, for anyone that might be interested in collecting ancients but are hesitant because of some of these myths. Not everyone visits here or even knows that CCF has an ancients forum.
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Justinian I, Nicomedia, Ae Half Follis. Ad 527-565
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Old Post Posted 10/29/2017  2:22 pm
My favorites of my half-folles:

Justinian, Rome mint



Tiberius II Constantine, Rome mint

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Any Ideas About This Late Copper Roman Coin?
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Old Post Posted 10/13/2017  10:36 pm
Imitative by the style for sure. Anytime from late 4th-mid-5th century from my recollection of when the little VOT types were struck.
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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s
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Old Post Posted 08/18/2017  11:59 pm
Here's a Tiberius Constantine half-follis from Rome mint:

Tiberius Constantine, Byzantine Empire
AE half-follis
Obv: Dm TIb CONST PP A,
Rev: Large X dot X, cross above
Mint: Rome
Mintmark: ROM
Date: 578-582 AD
Ref: SB 467




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Help To Identify Ancient Roman Or Greek Coin I Found In Egypt.
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Old Post Posted 08/13/2017  03:10 am
Not worth much money but if its one of the first coins you've found personally then that makes it very special (in my opinion).
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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s
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Old Post Posted 08/12/2017  2:07 pm
This isn't the coin I posted before, but rather I was saving it for this decade.

Sisebut, Visigothic Kingdom
AV tremissis
Obv: + SISEBVTVS REX, bust facing
Rev: + TOLETO PIVS, bust facing
Mint: Toledo
Date: 612-621 AD
Ref: Miles 183a

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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 440s
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Old Post Posted 08/11/2017  04:47 am
Not trying to be "in a hurry". I only missed rule #3 when reading the rules on page 1 (they definitely need more spacing between them). Mistakes do happen, so not sure why the snarky remark? Seeing a few coins on past pages violate this rule without being called out on only served to reinforce my mistaken viewpoint. I'll just go ahead and delete the post and save everyone the eyesore.
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Weird Monogram Ae - 5th Century Roman?
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Old Post Posted 08/07/2017  01:00 am
Justinian from Cherson:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/byz/..I/sb0197.jpg
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I Cleaned A Popular Coin!
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Old Post Posted 07/13/2017  8:40 pm
Thanks for the additional compliments! I feel like I gave new life to this wonderful coin.
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I Cleaned A Popular Coin!
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Old Post Posted 07/12/2017  7:30 pm
Thanks for all the compliments! And great job on that Galerius, Palouche!


Quote:
Do you recall the concentration of the ammonia water mix? Did you do anything to "neutralize" the coin after the last chemical wash? Are you planning to treat it with Renwax now? (I'd hold off on that until I was sure the chemical action is completely done).


I started out with a 50/50 mix the first 24 hours, then for the next day-and-a-half I added more ammonia for a 75/25 mix.

I soaked it for several seconds with distilled water to neutralize it.

No. Not going to use Renwax, since I'd prefer to feel its original surfaces when I hold it. Oh and also the fact that I don't have any Renwax to use.
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I Cleaned A Popular Coin!
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Old Post Posted 07/06/2017  4:17 pm
Decided to try and work on this Tiberius tribute penny, since to me it looked like it had a chance at looking decent with probably good details underneath. Seems like my gamble paid off. Started with water and soap for day 1, then moved to lemon juice and picking off chunks/rubbing off dirt for a few days, then lastly I used an annomia-water mix which really did a number on the gunk, which up to that point was mostly gone on the obverse but mostly still stubbornly there on the reverse. Overnight of the ammonia-water and some cotton swab rubbing got the denarius to where it is at now. It had a couple of spots of gunk left but since taking the photos they have been removed as well.





Please post any coins you've cleaned, any coin cleaning stories, and/or your Tiberius coins!
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Unknown Coin : Maybe Coin Of The Vandals ?
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Old Post Posted 06/20/2017  3:08 pm
Just looks like a normal imitative ("barbarous"). Doesn't look like a Vandal Kingdom type I am familiar with.
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