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| 1831 8 Reales Do Cap & Rays With Unusual Details
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RealPeso
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United States
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 Posted 02/27/2020 12:26 pm
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Hello Realeswatcher,
That's what I was leaning towards also. I say it has to be from Regal Dies, the stamp is just too spot on for it not to be. I just didn't know the Durango 8R's also had cases of debased originals like the Go and Zs mints.
Here is the image of the Ridell 363 with my coin below.
It could very well be that 363 swamperbob has been looking for. I just got tired of all the cheap scales that kept breaking on me after a couple years so I ordered a nice Brecknell scale which measures to the hundredth that is on backorder until mid March so I have to wait a bit to solve the mystery. (hopefully)
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| 1831 8 Reales Do Cap & Rays With Unusual Details
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RealPeso
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Posted 02/23/2020 11:49 am
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Yep, sorry #363 not #365. I am hoping the SG test will help put some of my doubts to rest. In studying this piece and looking at other 1831 Do's online I realized that there were two different snake heads used that year besides smaller differences like feathering style to the right of the eagle's resting food and placement of the (1) in 1831 and the (o) in Do. It is a very interesting piece and hopefully I'll have some answers as soon as my new scale arrives. Hey swamperbob by the way, any updates on when your book on counterfeit Cap & Rays is going to be published, that's the one I am really excited about.
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| 1831 8 Reales Do Cap & Rays With Unusual Details
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RealPeso
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Posted 02/22/2020 9:23 pm
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swamperbob Thank you very much for taking a look at my coin! Ugggh, I always seem to stumble on the debased 8R's or contemporary counterfeits. I am currently using a backup scale that just measures to the tenth decimal (broke my main one) and the new one is on backorder until March 18th  So it's going to be awhile until I can get down to business with a proper SG test.
I studied Ridell #365 Ridell 363 before buying the coin and came to the conclusion that it wasn't a match because Ridell makes the following comment "Snake's neck to near eagle's head" and in the picture you can see that the snake's neck in #363 comes within grazing distance of the eagle's head and on mine there is a larger gap just like the original. Could it still be the #363 though?
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| 1834 Go Pj 8 Reales CCc?
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RealPeso
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United States
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Posted 05/09/2019 2:09 pm
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| Did swamperbob say contemporary counterfeit or debased original? With the weight and SG results to me that's a debased original, I mean that stamp is spot on with die clash, correct edge and everything but swamperbob does know his stuff down to a T. Very nice coin by the way, Guanajuato is my favorite. |
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| 1866 CA Jc 8 Reales PCGS Certified XF
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RealPeso
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Posted 02/04/2018 3:16 pm
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This message shows what it was like dealing with him AfTER the auction ended. Not a real personable kind of guy. I'm now even more convinced than before I did the right thing and he can deal with it.
20021sc
You did the right thing. If anything, his childish response seals the deal. No one wants to do business with a person with that type of attitude. It is this blind faith in TPG's that is exactly why I decided not to buy slabbed pieces unless it is one heck of a deal. I find it hard to believe that the graders at any TPG really have the time and resources to get to know this series with the intimate knowledge that is required. XIX Century Mexico was not a orderly or stable environment, combine that with a massive output of silver and a strong contemporary counterfeit industry and you get a host of problems for modern day collectors. |
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| Mexico 50 Pesos Gold "Centenario" Separated Snake Tongue?
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RealPeso
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United States
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Posted 01/19/2018 10:55 pm
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sjkrose
Hey Thanks, I didn't think a die crack would omit a part of the design, I was used to seeing die cracks as irregular lines on the surface but maybe it is. Just thought it was weird that a whole portion of the tongue is not there. Wish it didn't have the two nicks on the obverse but still a very pleasing coin. |
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| Mexico 50 Pesos Gold "Centenario" Separated Snake Tongue?
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RealPeso
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Posted 01/18/2018 7:42 pm
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Hello everyone, I have been researching the Mexican 50 Pesos gold and have not come across any information regarding a separated tongue on the snake. Coin is exact dimensions, weight, color, stamp and pings correctly so I don't have any reasons to suspect a counterfeit but I thought this detail was unusual. Anyone else seen anything like this?
The first two pictures are of the whole coin, the third picture is a closeup of the snake's tongue and the last picture is a normal coin.
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| 1866 CA Jc 8 Reales PCGS Certified XF
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RealPeso
Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Posted 01/09/2018 6:50 pm
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20021sc
As a collector of Cap & Rays 8R's I have been following this thread very closely and I would do the same thing and return the coin, get your money back. I would not want the idea that it might be counterfeit nagging at me in the back of my head all the time. That is why I avoid slabbed 8R's because I can't put them through my own checks and balances like checking weight, edge, ping and the all important SG test. Even though that means I might miss out on some coins but I would rather authenticate them myself. This series was counterfeited like no other and with such a extreme number of varieties/issues, I really don't trust some corporation to do it as it has already been proven that they are not always right. |
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